PBS NewsHour; December 1, 2019, 5:30pm-6:00pm PST

- Captioning sponsored by WNET - >> Stewart: ON THIS EDITION FOR - SUNDAY, DECEMBER 1: SEVERE - WEATHER SNARLS TRAVEL ACROSS THE - U.S. - FOR WORLD AIDS DAY: LIVING WITH. - UR - AND INIGNATURE SEGMENT: - THE DIGITAL DISRUPTION OF SINGER - MAC DEMARCO. - NEXT ON "PBS NEHOUR WEEKEND." - >> PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND IS MADE - POSSIBLE BY: - BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ. - SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III. - THE CHERYL AND PHILIP LYLSTEIN - FARO - LIND P. WALTERIN MEMORY - OF GEORGE O'NEIL. - BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG. - CORPORATE FUNDING IS PROVIDED

- BY MUTUAL OF AMERICADESIGNING - CUSTOMIZED INDIVIDUAL AND GROUP - REREMENT PRODUCTS. - THAT'S WHY WE' YOUR - RETIREMENT COMPANY. - ADDITIONAL SUPPORT HAS BEEN - PROVID BY: - AND BY THE CORPORATION FOR - PUBLIC BROADCASTING, A PRIVATE - CORPORATN FUNDED BY THE - AMERICAN PEOPLE. - AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR - PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE - YOU. - THANK YOU. - FROM THE TISCH WNET STUDIOS ATR - LINCOLN CEN NEW YORK, - ALISON STEWART. - >> Stewart: GOOD EVENING AND - THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. - A POWERFUL WINTER STORM IS - SWEEPING INTO THE NORTHEAST AND - MAKING TRAVEL DIFFICULT AS THE - THANKSGIVING WEEKEND COMES TO A - CLOSE. - ACROSS THE UPPER MIDWEST HEAVY - SNOW AND WIND CAUSED HIGHWAY - CLOSINGS ACA FLIGHT - ELLATIONS LAST NIGHT AND - TODAY. - BLERZARD CONDITIONS CAUSED P - OUTAGES AND AUTHORITIES ISSUED A - NO TRAVEL ADVISORY AFTER 20 - INCHES OF SNOW FELL IN DULUTH - MINNESOTA. - THE SNOW, RAIN AND ICEE ITS - WAY INTO THE NORTHEAST THISRE

- MORNING AND S EXPECTED - THROUGH TOMORROW.TH - THE NATIONAL W SERVICE - ISSUED WINTER STORM WARNINGS FOR - NEW ENGLAND AND NEW YORK STATE-- - PREDICTING MORE THAN A FOOT OF - SNOW IN PARTS OF THE REGION. - AND VERE WEATHER MAY HAVE - CONTRIBUTED TO A PLANE CRASH IN - SOUTH DAKOTA YESTERDAY.DI - NINE PEOPL AND THREE WERE - INJURED WHEN A SINGLE-ENGINE - ANE CRASHED SHORTLY AFTER - TAKEOFF ABOUT 140 MILES WEST OF - SIOUX FALLS. - TOMORROW MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE - INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WILL - BEGIN PRIVATELY REVIEWING THE - FINAL REPORT FROM THE - IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. - LATE YESTERDAY THE INTELLIGENCE - COMMITTEE ADDED A HEARING FOR - TUESY TO CONSIDER ANVOTE O - APPROVING AND SENDING THE REPORT - TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY - COMMITTEE. - THE FINDINGS FROM THE - DEPOSITIONS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS - WITH UKRAINE WILL BASISLINGS - FOR THE COMMITTEE'S DECISION ON - FORMAL ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. - ON WEDNESDAY THE JUDICIARY - COMMITTEE HAS SCHEDULED A PUBLIC - HEARING TO CONSIDER THE - HISTORAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL - STANDARDS FOR IMPEACHMENT. - PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS - ATTORNEYS ARE INVITED TO - PARTICIPATE BUT THE PRESENTLL

- E IN LONDON FOR THE NATO - SUMMIT. - ON THE EVE OF A TWO-WEEK CLIMATE - CONFERENCE, U.N. SECRETARY - GENERAL ANTÓNIO GUTERRES CALLED - INTERNATIONAL EFFORTS TO REDUCE - PARIS ACCORD, "UTTERLY THE 2015 - INADEQUATE." - GUTERRES URGED LEADERS TO PLEDGE - TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GASESOTR - REACH CARBON NITY BY 2050. - >> WE ARE CONFRONTED NOW WITH A - OBAL CLIMATE CRISIS AND THE - POINT OF NO RETURN IS NO LONGER - OVER THE HORIZON, IT IS IN SIGHT - AND HURTLING TOWARDS US. - >>tewart: 25,000 DELEGATES - FROM ALMOST 200 COUNTRIES ARE - EXPECTED TO ATTEND THE - CONFERENCE IN MADRID. - HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI - ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY SHE WILL - LEAD A U.S. CONGRESSIONAL - DELEGATION. - LAST MONTH THE TRUMP - ADMINISTRATION OFFICLLY - NOTIFIED THE U.N. THAT THE U.S. - WOULD WITHDRAW FROM THE 2015 - PARIS AGREEMENT. - IN MEXICO, ABOUT 40 MILE - SOUTHWEST OF THE BORDER TOWN OF - EAGLE PASS, TEXAS, AT LEAST 21 - PEOPLE DIED AFTER ALLEGED DRUG

- RTEL GUNMEN IN A CONVOY OF - PICK-UP TRUCKS OPENED FIRE ON - THE TOWN OF VILLA UNION - YESTERDAY. - DURING AN HOUR-LONG STAND-OFF, - AT LEAST TEN OF THE SUSPECTED - CARTEL GUNMEN AND FOUR POLICE - OFFICERS WERE KILLED. - OFFICIALS SAID POLICLATER - CHASED DOWN AND KILLED AT LEAST - SEVEN MORE ATTACKERS THIS - GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, INCLUDING - THE TOWN'S MUNICIPAL OFFICE, - WERE LEFT RIDDLED WITH BULLET - MAYOR'S OFFICE ARETILLE AT THE - MISSING. - IN AN INTERVIEW BROADCAST LASTES - TUY, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE - PLANS TO DESIGNATE THE CARTELS - AS TERRORIST ORGANATIONS. - ON FRIDAY, MEXICO'S PRT - ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR, - SAID HE WOULD NOT ACCEPT ANY - FOREIGN INTERVENTION IN MEXICO. - IN LONDON TODAY, POLICE - IDENTIFIED THE SECOND VICTIM INO - FRAY'S TATTACK AS - 23-YEAR-OLD SASKIA JONES. - JONES WAS A GRADUATE OF THE - UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE R D LIKE - THE OTCTIMJACK MERRITT, - SHE WAS PARTICIPATING IN A - CONFERENCE FOR STUDENTS AND - PRISONERS WHERE THE VIOLENCE - GAN. - THREE PELE WERE ALSO INJURED - IN THE ATTACK.

- ONE WAS RELEASED FROM THE - HOSPITAL AND THE TWO OTHLYS ARE - REPORTN STABLE CONDITION. - A WINTER STORM THREATENS TO - BRING A FOOT OF SNOW TO PARTS OF - THE NORTHEAST. - VISIT pbs.org/newshour F THE - LATEST. - TODAY MARKS WORLD AIDSAY AND - WHILE THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT - PROGRESS IN MEDICAL TREATMENT - AND MANAGEMENT OF H.I.V. - NEARLY 38 MILLION PEOPLE - GLOBALLY LIVE WITH THE VIRUS, AN - ESTIMATED 1.7 MILLION PEOPLE - WERE NEWLY INFECTED LAST YEAR. - MORE THAN HALF OF THOSE GLOBALLY - CELESTE WATKINS-HAYES IS A - PROFESSOR OF SOCIOLOGY ANDAM - AFRICAICAN STUDIES AT - NORTHWESTERN UNIVEITY AND - FACULTY FELLOWT THE INSTITUTE - FOR POCY RESEARCH. - SHE SPENT MORE THAN A DECADE - RESEARCHING THE CIUMSTANCES - UNDER WHH WOMEN CONTRACT AND - LIVE WITH THE VIRUS. - SHE'S AUTHOR OF THE BOOK - "REMAKING A LIFE: HOW WOMEN - LIVING WITH H.I.V./AIDS CONFRONT - EQUALITY" AND SHE JOINS ME NOW - FROM DETROIT, MICHIGAN. - >> Stewart: IN YOUR WORK AND - IN YOUR WRITING YOU - CONTEXTUALIZE HIV AIDS NOT JUST - AS A DISEASE BUT AS YOU WRITE - QUOTE INJURY OF INEQUALITY. - WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT CONCEPT? - >> IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND

- THAT WHILE HIV CAN INFECT ANY OF - US IT DIPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS - AND SMALL WOUNDS T 0Y, THOSE BIG - BODIES, TO OUR FAMILIES, TO OUR - DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT OUR - HEALTH OUT COMES, SO WHETHER WE - ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE OF - COLOR,EXUAL MINITIES, - LOW-INCOME FOLKS, TRANSGENDER - INDIVIDUALS, WE KNOW THAT POPLE - WHO ARE AT THE 0 QUOTE UNQUOTE - BOTTOM OF SOCIETY'S LADER ARE - OFTEN AT HIGHEST RISK FOR - NTRACTING AN ILLNESS LIKE HIV, - NOW WHY IS THAT? - PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE - SOCIAL CONTEXT OF RISK, AND THE - WAYS IN WHICH LIMITED ACCESS TO - HEALTHCARE, LIMITED ACCESS TO - RESOURCES, ECONOMICALLY TO TAKE - CARE OF ONE SELVES, ONESELF AND - LIMITED ACCESS TO MEDICATION - MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE - LIVING WITH HIV AND THOSE AT - HIGHER RISK OF CONTRACTING THE - ILLNESS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. - >> Stewart: WHEN YOU THINK - ABOUT THESE SAFETY NETS THAT WE - NEED FOR HIV AND AIDS, WHAT DO

- THOSE LOOK LIKE? - >> WELL THE HIV COMNITY HAS - OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS BUILT A - VERY STRONG SAFETY NET FOR - PEOPLE LIVING WITHIV AND FOR - THOSE AT HIGHER RISK. - AND IT IS COMPRISED OF FOUR - THINGS, NUMBER ONE, THE HIV - COMMUNITY HAS PUSHED VERY - STRONGLY FOR ACCTOS - HEALTHCARE FOR PEOPLE LIVING - WITH HIV, SO WHEN WE THI W ABOUT - THE RYITE CARE ACT AND WE - THINK ABOUT THE AIDS DRUG - ASSISTCE PROGRAM, THOSE - POLICIES PROVIDE HEALTHCARE - ACCESS AND ALSO MEDICINES TO - PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV. - THE SECOND THING THAT THE HIV - COMMUNITY HAS DONE VERY - EFFECTIVELY IS TO BUIL VERY - STRONG SUPPORT NETWORK FOR - PEOPLE LIVINOWITH HIV, - WHETHER IT IS SUPPORT GROUPS OR - CASE MANAGEMENT OR THE - OPPORTUNITY TO BE LED BY PEER - MENTORS, A COMMUNITY FORMS - AROUND PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV TO - REALLY OFFER THE SOCIAL TUPPORT - THEY NEED TO BATTLE WITH - THEIR DIAGNOSIS AND TO BATTLE - THE STIGMA THAT IT BRINGS. - THE THIRD THING THAT - COMMUNITY DOES ISIT PROVIDES AN

- ON RAMP TODPOLITICAL A CIVIC - ENGAGEMENT, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT - THE HIV ACL TIVISTS, E WAY - BACK TO THE 1980S THEY HAVE - BUILT AN ONGOING LEACY OF - COMMUNITY AND POLITICAL - ACTIVISM, WHERE THEY ARE - SPKING TRUTH TO POWER AD - ENGAGING OUR POLITICIANS TO MAKE - SURE THAT THE FIGHT CONTINUES - AROUND HIV. - AND THE LAST THING THAT THE HIV - SAFETY NET IS THINKING ABOUT IS - ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY. - IFOU DON'T HAVE FOOD, HOUSING, - AFFORDABILITY IN TERMS OFLL OF - THE LIFE SPCE AND NEEDS YOU - WON'T BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN YOUR - HEALTH SO THE HIV COMMUNITY HAS - VERY EFFECTIVELY LOBBIED FOR - WAYS FOR PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV - TO GET ACCESS TO SERVICES AND - ALSO TO GET ACCESS TOSISTANCE - THAT CAN LEAD TO ECONOMIC AND - FINANCIAL SELF SUSTAINABILITY? - >> Stewart: WHERE IN THISDO - COUNTR THERE NEED TO BE - MORE WORK DONE? - WHAT REGION OF THE COUNTRY? - >> CERTAINLY IN THE SOUTH. - SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STRENGTH - OF THE HIV SAFETY NET, WE KNOTHW - IT IS PRETTY ROBUST, - ALTHOUGH IT CAN ALWAYS BE

- STRENGTHENED BUT IT IS PRETTYBU - IN OUR MAJOR CITIES. - BUT WHERE WE HAVE REALLY SEEN - THE TEFETY NET FAIS IN THE - SOUTH. - THAT IS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. - THERE HASN'T BEEN, ALTHOUGH - THERE HAS BEEN ACTIVISM THERE - HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN THE - STRENGTH OF THE ATTENTION TARNLI - ACTIVISM FO WORK BEING - DONE, IT HASN'T NECESSARILY HITE - OUR NG NEWS IN THE WAYS - THAT IT HAS HIT OUR NEWS IN DC - AND NEW YORK AND SAN FRANCISCO - SOUTH HAS KIND OF LANGUISHED DUE - TO A LACK OF ATTENTION, LACK OF - RESOURCES, BA ALSO RELUCTANCE - ON SOME POLICY MAKERS TO EXPAND - THALTHCARE ACCESS TO PEOPLE IN - THOSE REGIONS O COUNTRY IN - WAYS THAT HAVE AFFECTED WHAT WE - NOW SEE IN T ERMSOF RISING HIV - INFECTION RATES IN THE SOUTH. - >> Sewart: ONE OF THTHINGS - I KNOW THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU - 0 IN YOUR RESEARCH, IN YOUR - WRITING IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE - OUND HIV/AIDS, INSTEAD OF - SAYING LIVING WITH OR DYING - FROM, YOU SAY WE SHOULD THINK - ABOUT IT AS THRIVING DESPITE. - TALK TO ME WHY LANGUAGE IS SO - IMPORTANT.

- >> STHE LANGUAGE OF THRIVING - BECAUSE IT REFLECTS OURNT, - SCIENTIFIC MOMENT IN THE - EPIDEMIC. - MA PEOPLE WHO RECEIVE AN HIV - DIAGNOSIS BELIEVE THEY HAVE A - DEATH SENTCE, BUT DUE TO THE - MEDICAL ADVANCES PEOPLE NOW FIND - THATF THEY TAKE THEIR - MEDICATIONS AS PRESCRIBED AND - REACH UNDETECTABLE VIOADS - THEY CAN'T SEXUALLY TRANCE SPLIT - THE VIRUS AND THEY ARE MUCH MORY - LIO HAVE FULL LIFE - EXPECTANCIES. - SO, REALLY, WHEN WE ARE TALKING - ABOUT HIV, IT IS NOT ABOUT DYING - FROM HV. - IT IS ABOUT HOW DO YOU GET TO A - PLACE WHERE YOU CAN LIVE WITH - HIV, THROUGH MEDICATIONS AND - THROUGH TAKING CARE OF ONE'S - HEALTH TO THRIVING DESPITE, - WHERE ONE CAN REALLY HAVE ALL OF - THE FULL EXPERIENCES AND - MEDICATIONS.LIFE DUE TO THE - OUR KEY NOW IS MAKING SURE THAT - IN TERMS OF ACCESS AND - AFFORDABILITY PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS - AND OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE ALONG - THAT TRAJECTORY FROM DYING FROM - AG LIVING WITH TO THRIVING - DESPITE AN HIV DSIS. - >> Stewart: PROFESSOR CELESTE

- WATKINS HAYES, THANK YOU SO MUCH - FOR BEING WITH US. - IT IS WONDERFUL TO BE WITH YOU, - ALLISON. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR - HAVING ME. - >> - >> Stewart: LAST MONTH, A TROVE - OF LEAKED DOCUMENTS REVEALED AN - EXCEPTIONAL INSIDE VIEW OF - CHINA'S MASS DETENTION OF ETHNIC - MINORITIES IN NORTHWEST CHINA - AND IT'S GROWING COMPLEX OF - INTERNMENT CAMPS. - HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS - OBTAINED BY "THE NEW YORK TIMES" - REVEALED INTERNAL SPEECHES FROMR - IDENT XI JINPING, AS WELL AS - DIRECTIVES FROM SENIOR OFFICIALS - IO HOW TO MANAGE INDOCTRIN - CAMPS. - ERDITIONAL LEAKED DOCUMENTS WERE - LATER GIVEN TO OOURNALISTS - DETAILING HOW, IN THE PAST THREE - YEARS, UIGHURS AND OTHER MUSLIM - MINORITIES HAVE BEEN DETAINED - TIFOR IDEOLOGICAL TRANSFOR - AND WERE KEPT ISOLATED FROM THE - OUTSE WORLD. - NEWSHOUR WEEKEND'S HARI - SREENIVASAN RECENTLY SPOKE ABOUT - THOSE FINDGS WITH AUSTIN - RAMZY, ONE OF THE REPORTERS FROM - "THE NEW YORK TIMES" WHO FIRST

- BROKE THE STORY. - >> WE RECEIVED 400 PES OF - INTERNAL DOCUMENTS DESCRIBING - THE HISTORY OF HOW THESE CAMPS - CAME ABOUT. - IT SHOWED THAT, THAT XI JINPING, - UM, CHINESE PRESIDENT, HAD BEEN - LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF ANSWER - TO THE PROBLEMS OF SEPARATISM - AND RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM IN - XINJIANG. - AND SO, FIVE YEARS AGO HE GAVE - SOME VERY TOUGH SPEECHES. - SHORTLY AFTER THAT, WE BEGAN TO - SEE SOME SMALL CAMPS AND THEN IN - 2017 THE GROWTH OF THESE - INDOCTRINATION CAMPS REALLY - TAKES OFF. - IT REALLY CLASHES WITH THE - PUBLIC FACE THAT THE GOVERNMENT - IS TRYING TO PUT ON THESE - FACILITIES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE - SIMPLY BOARDING SCHOOLS FOR - PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE COMMITTED - SOME SORT OF MINOR INFRACTION,EM - A WAY TO GIVE OME JOB - TRAINING AND HELP THEM MOVE - TO BETTER LIVES. - D THESE INTERNAL DOCUMENTS, WE - SEE A LOT OF THE HARM THAT IS - NE TO FAMILIES, CHILDREN WHO - HAVE THEIR PARENTS TAKEN AWAY.

- >> Sreenivasan: YOU EVEN POINT - OUT THAT THERE ARE BASICALLYEA - SCRIPTS TOWITH THE - HEESTIONS THAT FAMILIES WILL - HAVE WHEN ONE OF FAMILY - MEMBERS IS MYSTERIOUSLY - VANISHED. - >> YES, THAT WAS PERHA - MOST REVEALING DOCUMENT IN ALL - ED THE THINGS THAT WE RECE - IT WAS SORT OF A SAMPLE Q&A FOR - OFFICIALTO HANDLE STUDENTS WHO - WERE STUDYING INTHER PARTS OF - CHINA AND THEN RETURN HOME TO - LEARN THAT THEIR PARENTS OR - OTHEFAMILY MEMBERS WERE IN A - CAMP. - AND THE DOCUMENT IS FULL OF THIS - SORT OF PSEUDO MEDICAL LANGUAGEE - RIBING THE FAMILY MEMBER AS - SOMEONE WHO'S THINKING HAS BEEN - INFECTED, AND SO THEY NEEDED TO - BE PUT IN TREATMENT AND CURED. - >> Sreenivasan: WHAT ARE THEY - DOING INHESE CAMPS? - HOW ARE THEY ACTUALLY - STRUCTURING THESE PLACES? - THE ONES THAT THEY SAIJUST - FOR RE ECATION OR VOCATIONAL - EXPERIENCE. - WHAT AREHESE NEW DOCUMENTS - REVEALING THAT TELL US THAT - THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE? - >> THESE DOCUMENTS INCLUDE ONE - INCREDIBLY INTERESTING NINE PAGE

- DOCUMENT THAT'S A SET OF ORDERS - THAT WAS SENT OUT IN 2017 OF HOW - CAMP SHOULD BE RUN. - IT REALLY DESCRIBES THIS, KIND - OF, PRISON-LIKE SITUATION.D, - N FACT, SOME OF THE - LANGUAGE IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS - USED IN PRISONS IN TERMS OF - PREVENTING ESCAPES AND - PREVENTING INCIDENTS AND THINGS - LIKE THAT. - UM, VERY STRICT CONTROLS ON - PEOPLE ON THE INSIDE. - UM, ORDERS TO HAVE PEOPLE - MONITOR EACH OTHER OR - ESSENTIALLY SPY ON EACH OTHER. - AND SO, THESE DOCUMEHIS - DOCUMENT IN PARTICULAR, IS - PROBABLY - AT HOW THE CAMPS ARE RUN. - >> Sreenivasan: SO, GIVE ME - AN IDEA. - I KNOWT'S HARD TO PIN DOWN AN - EXACT NUMBER, BUT HOW MANY - PEOPLE ARE IN THESE CAF S IN THE - WESTINA NOW? - >> WELL, SCHOLARS HAVE LOOKE TAT - THIS, TAKIT SATELLITE DATA - AND CONSTRUCTION DATA ASELL - TO TRY AND CREATE ESTIMATES AND - THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A - MILLION ORORE. - >> Sreenivasan: A MILLION OR

- MORE PEOPLE IN THE CAMPS NOW. - D, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO - KIND OF THATIRST SET - DOCUMENTS, WHAT WAS ALSO - INTERESTING IS THAT YOU FOUND - THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD - CARRY OUT THE POLICIES OF - TAKING PEOPLE AND PUTTING THEM - INTO CAMPS, IT WASN'T THAT EASY - FOR THEM. - ERE WAS KIND OF SOME INTERNAL - DISSENT. - >> THAT'S RIGHT. - I MEAN, ASIDE FROM THE LEAK OF - THE DOCUMENTS THEMSELV, THERE - WERE SIGNS WITHIN THE DOCUMENTS - OF OFFICIALS WHO RESISTED. - IN ONE CASE THERE'S A DETAILED - DESCRIPTION, AND HE DOESN'T - REALLY SEEM TO BE DOING IT FOR - HIGH MINDED IDEALS. - HE JUST THINKS THAT IT'S NOT - GONNA WORK. - SO IT SEEMS LIKE INTERNALLY - THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO SENSE THAT - IS PROGRAM IS NOT, IS NOT - WORKING. - >> Sreenivasan: L RIGHT. - AUSTIN RAMZY OF "TS" NEW YORK - TIOINING US VIA SKYPE FROM - HONG KONG. - THANKS SO MUCH. - >> MY PLEASURE. - >> Stewart: WHILE L - DISRUPTION HAS UPENDED THE - BUSINESS MODEL OF THE MUSIC

- INDUSTRY, SOME ARTISTS - MANAGED TO HARNESS THE - TECHNOLOGY TO FORGE CAREERS - WITHOUT PROMOTION FROM OLD - FASHIONED RECORD COMPANIES.AC - ONE OF THEM ISERMARCO, - WHO'S SELF-PRODUCED RECORDS AND - UNIQUE PERSONA HE ALLOWED HIM - TO THRIVE IN TODAY'S - ENVIRONMENT. - NEWSHOUR WEEKEND'S CHRISTOPHER - BOOKER HAS MORE. - ♪ ♪ - >> Reporter: THE IRREVERENCE - THAT INFUSES THE MUSIC AND - CAREER OF MAC DEMARCO HAS BEEN - THERE FROM THE BEGINNING. - ♪ ♪ - FROM HIS INITIAL 2012 - BREAKTHROUGH DEMARCO STANDS AS T - IT OF THE ARTIST - UNPOLISHED-- A CONTEMPORARY - MUSICIAN NOT AFRAID OF THE - OVERSHARE-- OR BEING - MISUNDERSTOOD-- WHETHER POSTING - PHOTOS OF HIS DOUBLE CHIN OR - APPEARING AS A LIZARD MAN - SMOKING A CIGAR. - >> I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT KIDS LIKE - ON THE INTERNET. - THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE MY DOUBLE - CHIN. - IT'S FUNNY. - I THINK IT'S FUNNY TOO, IT'S N - PROBLEM. - >> Reporter: FOR THE CANADIAN - BORN SINGER/SONGWRITER DUBBED - THE "LAID BACK PRINCE OF INDIE

- ROCK" THE TRANSPARENCY HAS - ENDEARED HIM TO MILLIONS OF - FANS, MAKING HIM A STAPLE OF THE - TOURING AND FESTIVAL CIRCUIT. - ♪ ♪O' - BUT DEMACCESS IS AS MUCH - ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO GO IT ALONE - AS IT IS HIS MUSICAL TALENT AND - OFFBEAT PERSONALITY. - EVERYTHING HE DOES IS - SELF-PRODUCED AND SELF-RECORDED, - IN HIS BEDROOM OR THIS - CLUTTERED, GEAR FILLED GARAGE IN - LOS ANGELES.U - DID AIN IN RECORDING OR IS - IT ALL TRIAL AND ERROR? - >> OH, I DON'T KNOW. - I NEVER TOOK ANY-- I HAVE NO - IDEA. - I MEAN, I JUST KD OF WOULD GET - RECORDERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT - AND DO WHATEVER I COULD ON THEM. - I MEAN I STILL DON'T REALLY KNOW - WH I'M DOING - I KNOW HOW TO PLUG STUFF IN AND - I KNOW HOW TO SET A STUDIO AND I - UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF, YOU - KNOW. - ♪ ♪ - >>eporter: DEMARCO'S - UNDERSTANDING OF THE BASICS IS - HOW ITTARTED.

- HE BEGAN UPLOADING HIS SONGS TO - BANDCAMP, A WEBSITE THAT ALLOWS - MUSICIANS TO SELL MUSIC AND - MERCHANDISE DIRECTLY TO - CONSUMERS. - HE WAS SIGNED TO INDEPENDENT - LABEL CAPTURED TRACKS SOON - AFTER. - HIS FIRST TWO RELEASES IN 2012, - AN E.P. CALLED "ROCK N' ROLL - NIGHTCLUB" FOLLOWED BY THE FULL - LENGTH ALBUM "2" PRODUCED TENS - OF MILLIONS OF STREAMS OF HIS - MUSIC AND VIDEOS. - ♪ ♪ - HIS VIDEO FOR "MY KIND OF - WOMAN," FROM HIS ALBUM "2" HAS - 35 MILLION VIEWS ON YOUTUBE.SO - WHILE HI "CHAMBER OF - REFLECTION," WHICH COMES FROMUP - HIS 2014 FOLLOSALAD DAYS" - MILLION TIMES ON S.VER 96 - AND THIS PAST SUMMER, WITH THE - OMLEASE OF HIS ALBUM "HERE - THE COWBOY," RELEASED ON HIS OWN - LABEL,IS BASIC UNDERSTANDING - PRODUCED A BONAFIDE BILLBOARD - HIT. - ♪ HERE COMES THE COWBOY - "HERE COMES THE COWBOY" WAS YOUR - FIRST U.S. TOP TEN.

- IT DID REALLY WELL. - >> YEAH, BUT WHAT DOES - MEAN? - JACK SQUAT! - I MEAN, IT'S CUTE. - EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR ME WAS - LIKE, RIGHT ON. - I GUESS IT MEANS WE SOLD SOME, - BUT IT'S LIKE THE WILD WEST.LL - NOBODY RKNOWS WHAT'S GOING - ON. - EVERYBODY'S FREAKING OUT ABOUT - THINGS GETTING MONISED, - EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT - STREAMING SERVICES, YOU KNOW, - SOCIAL MEDIA OF A BLAH BLAH - BLAH. - NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING - ON. - ♪ ♪ - >> Reporter: NOBODY EXCEPT MAYBE - MAC DEMARCO. - HIS FANS-- LIKE MOST THESE - DAYS-- ARE OVERWHELMINGLY - CONSUMING MUSIC ON STREAMING - SERVICES LIKE SPOTIFY OR iTUNES, - WHICH PAY ONLY A FRACTION OF A - PENNY PER STREAM. - BUT IF YOUR SONG HAS BEEN - STREAMED OVER 96 MILLION TIMES - LIKE DEMARCO'S "CHAMBER OF - REFLECTION" HAS, THAT'S STILL - REAL MONEY. - NOT TO MENTION AN ENDORSEMENTAP - THAT YOUR OACH MIGHT BE - WORKING. - SOMETHING THAT FOR DEMARCO HASIN - RE LARGELY UNCHANGED, AND - HAPPENS NEARLY EVERY SINGLE DAY - IN HIS GARAGE, RECORSONG SONG - AFTE.

- >> I LIKE THIS. - ♪ ♪ - YEAH! - JUST GARBAGE, BUT FUN TO MAKE. - >> Reporter: IT SOUNDS LIKE, - THIS COULD BE A SUPEO BROS - WORLD, YOU KNOW? - >> YEAH! - THAT KIND OF STUFF. - WHAT ELSE WE GOT? - WHAT IS THIS? - HIPPIE RIP - SIMILAR VIBE. - ♪ ♪ - I THINK THAT'S THE THING FOR ME - IS SOMETIMES I GET MORE - PREOCCUPIED WITH THE RECORDING - SIDE OF THINGS SO I'LL JUST MAKE - SOMETHING JUST TO SEE HOW I CAN - RECORD IT. - >> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU MEAN, - MAKE SOMETHING JUST TO SEE HOW - >> YEAH.FIGURE IT OUT? - LIKE, INSTEAD OF GOING DOWN AND - BEING LIKE, "I SHOULD WRITE A - SONG TODAY." - GONNA DO SOME, LIKE, LITTLE, YOU - KNOW, REALLY RUSH THROUGH - SOMETHING JUST SO I CAN PUT THE - MIKES UP. - YOU KNOW, I'D SAY IT'S JUST THE - NERDY SIDE OF ME COMING OUT.LA - OKAY, WETHE SHOW NOW. - LET'S GO! - ♪ ♪ - >> Reporter: IF IT ALL FEELS

- KIND OF TOSSED OFF, WELL, IT IS. - AND DEMARCO IS WELL AWARE THAT - TOSSED OFF ANY MINUTE. GET - BUT HE SAYS WHATEVER HAPPENS IS - WHATEVER HAPPENS. - >> I MEAN, I HAVE IT SET UP SO I - COULD MAKE ALBUMS FOREVER.OK - YOU KNOW THERE'S NO-- I'M - NOT PAYING ANYTHING TO BE IN - HERE. P - I'M NOT EVING FOR TAPE - ANYMORE, SO I CAN JUST REUSE THE - SAME ONE OVER AND OVER AND - STARTS SOUNDING REAL SKETCHY, - BUT, AH, I'M REALLY AT A POINT - RIGHT NOW WHERE I FEEL, FEEL - CALM. - ART AND I'M GOING E THEMAKING - ART THAT I WANT TO MAKE. - AND I DON'T REALLY CARE IF - PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT. - ♪ ♪ - >> Swart: FINALLY TONIGHT, - NEWSHOUR WILL HAVE THE LATEST ON

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